E70: TOLWM + Amelia Furman x When Spirit Walks Into the Studio

What if your creativity wasn’t just something you do, but something you are?

In this powerful episode, Natalie is joined by mixed media artist and spiritual creative Amelia Furman for a conversation that moves beyond art and into the soul of being. Together, they explore what it means to live and work with your spirit fully integrated—especially in a world that tells us to compartmentalize.

Amelia shares her path from performance-based validation to soul-centered creation—and how inviting God into her art and business changed everything. From the buzzing halls of the Warehouse Innovation Hub in Loveland to early-morning rituals and big questions about purpose, the episode dives deep into what it means to create with intention and release the need to have it all figured out.

🌀 Resources & Mentions

• Art Explorer Camp for 3rd–6th Grade (JULY!) – Amelia’s plein air camps help kids explore creativity outdoors
• Dr. Joe Dispenza – Especially Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself
• The Warehouse Innovation Hub – Loveland’s nonprofit makerspace for creatives, engineers & innovators
• Jenny Milner – Artist and friend who expands conversations on immigration and social issues

🌀 Topics We Explore

• Living at the intersection of creativity, spirituality & purpose
• Bringing faith into your studio—and your business
• Burnout, recovery & breaking up with hustle culture
• The fragility of the mind & how to re-pattern self-talk
• Parenting with presence & modeling emotional resilience
• Spiritual expression in professional spaces
• The power of curiosity, storytelling & honest friendship
• Letting go of the pressure to “know what’s next”

🌀 Your Invitation
Let this episode be more than background noise.

Ask yourself:
 ✨ Where have you been performing instead of creating?
 ✨ Where are you still trying to earn your worth instead of being it?
 ✨ What would it feel like to not know what’s next—and trust anyway?

Today, carve out space to be instead of hustle.
Journal. Make something messy. Sit in silence. Invite Spirit in.

Then—tell someone what shifted.

Because reflection without action is just another performance.
 And you? You’re not here for that anymore.

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Natalie P.: Hello! Hello! We are going live

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Natalie P.: while this gets set up. I'm looking at everyone on this fine morning.

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Natalie P.: Specifically, I'm looking at the beautiful Amelia Furman. I'm so excited. Oh, and it says we're live there. We go

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Natalie P.: welcome, welcome! Welcome back! To think out loud with me. This is the space where

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Natalie P.: I like to say, curiosity and real conversation collide. How's that? For some alliteration for

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Natalie P.: this beautiful morning. Today I'm joined by a deeply soulful artist

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Natalie P.: whose work and life remind me that spirit isn't something that we necessarily switch off and on.

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Natalie P.: It's the undercurrent of everything we do.

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Natalie P.: And yeah, that's the vibe I'm feeling this morning so welcome to my friend Amelia Furman. She's a mixed media artist. She's a mom of 2, a longtime creative explorer, and someone who uses art

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Natalie P.: as a living, breathing, spiritual practice. She brings texture to both canvas and life.

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Natalie P.: And today we're peeling back the layers on creativity, calling Faith

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Natalie P.: Burnout and the beauty of not knowing what the heck is next.

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Natalie P.: So I would love to get into it with you. Amelia, come off mute, and say hello to everybody who's joining us.

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amelia: Hello! I'm glad to be here. Thanks for having me, Natalie. This is exciting.

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Natalie P.: Why don't you introduce yourself a little and come off mute, and say hello to everybody who's joining us?

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Natalie P.: See, we're learning as we go.

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Natalie P.: Don't volume is off I'm gonna tag you so that folks can hear oops, Amelia.

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Natalie P.: so that folks that follow, you know that you're on. While I was doing that I was hoping to have you just tell me a little bit about what you're up to over there. You're sitting in a really cool space.

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amelia: My, my little plastic plastic wall cube.

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amelia: It's a very like non-traditional studio space. But it works. So yeah.

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Natalie P.: Where's it? Tell tell everybody where you work. I've been there. I've been in space, and I just like, Give us some context of like the walls around you, and and then the walls around those walls.

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amelia: For sure. So I work in a space. It's a nonprofit space called the Warehouse Innovation Hub, and it's located in Loveland, Colorado. And it houses people that have amazing ideas in regards to technology, creativity, science, engineering, all of that.

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amelia: And manufacturing is a big component of it, and they are ready to take their idea from their basement or their garage, and actually start scaling it up. They've, you know, gotten a little bit more solid on like, here's what I want to do, and they need help, you know, to get it going. So they need support. And, like, you know, resources they need support in

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amelia: how to move it from like just a solopreneur type of situation to, you know, making it so much bigger. And so that's what this space is all about. And one of the things I love about this space is they really value the presence of creativity.

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amelia: So creatives in the space as well as engineers and scientists and mathematicians, and all of that. And so then we get to bump into each other like all the time in the hallways and find out like, Well, what are you working on? What are you doing? And it has been really neat to see, like what those intersections can lead to. Sometimes it's collaborations.

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amelia: other times it's like, Oh, wait, you know, so and so like they could help with this. That'd be amazing, you know. And so it really is a cool space to be able to work in, to to be here, and to hear all of the other sounds going on. It's very kind of warehousey.

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amelia: And so, you know, there's banging. There's conversations happening.

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amelia: And you just kind of like, have that buzz going on while you're you know, working on your own stuff. So.

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Natalie P.: Before

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Natalie P.: before we went on live. You were asking if I could hear you. Well, you didn't ask that you were looking for headphones, and

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Natalie P.: saying that there were sometimes there could be a lot of background noise and

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Natalie P.: I was saying, don't like. I want to hear all of it because the way that you are as such a

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Natalie P.: beautiful creative being, the way that you are positioned within that little

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Natalie P.: space on this planet is just fascinating to me, and and I love it, and I want to hear all of it around you right like.

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amelia: Home.

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Natalie P.: The fact. I've been in the space where Amelia works, and across the hall when I joined a workshop across the hall. There's a robotics.

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Natalie P.: There's a there's a a testing space where multiple folks can come in and test together. Right am I? Am I accurate.

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amelia: Yeah, yeah, it's the prototype and electronics lab, where.

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Natalie P.: Okay.

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amelia: And they're doing like so much innovative stuff in there, regarding like how to check out tools and how to make it so that it's safe for everybody. So they're building programs from the ground up that nobody has ever done before. And so it's like that is so inspiring to me to think about like, okay, what in my little sphere of creativity like, how can I have that same type of

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amelia: attitude and think through like, what? What can I do?

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amelia: New and different? And is in line with, like the person I am is in line with, like my abilities like, how can I take what I'm what I know.

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amelia: what I'm good at and make new things. So yeah, so it's neat to see that it's motivational.

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Natalie P.: It's highly motivational. And and to me, I just like my brain goes

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Natalie P.: because I'm I'm just in the buzz right now around

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Natalie P.: sound and vibrations, and and and this like collective energy that we share

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Natalie P.: resonance that we share. And so, like, I, I can see you

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Natalie P.: in this space, and you all are creating a shared vibration. Yours, everyone there is in passion.

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Natalie P.: Everyone there is in has such focus and and such heartfelt. I hope everyone I'm being super broad for a dramatic.

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amelia: I think of which I tend to do a lot. There's.

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Natalie P.: Just this. I just love the energy I love, the energy walking on, pulling into campus and knowing that that's what you all that that's and now I know you. And so, knowing you are in a center of of your own little universe and back to what I was saying about, I want to hear it all, because to me it's like it's a symphony

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Natalie P.: doesn't sound like clutter or clatter or chaos of any kind. It sounds like

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Natalie P.: creativity at its finest. And so I'm

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Natalie P.: I'm I want to get more into you cause I'm i i am curious about like the how you would ever land in the middle of just

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Natalie P.: like if you zoom out to the universal level. There's Amelia sitting in the middle of a warehouse.

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amelia: Yeah. And if if I.

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Natalie P.: Right.

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amelia: For sure. Yeah.

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Natalie P.: But did you

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Natalie P.: like? I want to know more, I want to know, like 20 years of like finding like

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Natalie P.: you've been doing doing, you've been creating.

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amelia: No.

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Natalie P.: And and it's this spark of life in you. And I just want to know, when did you realize

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Natalie P.: that aren't wasn't just something that you did.

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Natalie P.: But that it was something that you actually are.

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amelia: Right? So yeah, like that. It was really something that I felt

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amelia: called to do. And I would say.

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amelia: like, I've been doing art like ever since I was a kid. I went to school for art.

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amelia: And

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amelia: I think in that setting I had inklings and ideas like, Hey, this is. This is a big part of who you are. This is a gift.

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amelia: This is something that can be used for good

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amelia: and something that's that. You know that I felt God designed me for

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amelia: But I don't think it was until after school, and probably even

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amelia: I don't even know if it was until after I had kids that that I started to fully understand or get more.

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amelia: You know more of a sense of like this isn't

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amelia: that that it's more than just something I can do. But it is something that I you know that I am that I am a creative person.

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amelia: And you know it

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amelia: as far as like figuring out like, how

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amelia: like, how how to, I guess. Work with that and be

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amelia: not stuck in the idea like I. So let me back up a little bit. So I think a lot of my journey has been grappling with

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amelia: like a sense of like self-drivenness, people pleasing performance, all of that kind of stuff like that. This idea of like look at me! Look at me like I have something I can like like if you look at me. And if you see me, then then I'm okay, you know, like I'm you know I

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amelia: I have something to share, and I'm I'm valuable because of that and all of that. So like, I think I spent a lot of my a lot of my childhood and a lot of my you know, time learning art in school kind of with that

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amelia: that undercurrent of of wanting to please all my teachers, wanting to like, you know, like

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amelia: work so hard that I was like always at the top

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amelia: so that I could. I could be like, Okay, I'm all right. I'm okay, you know, and and so it really wasn't until I was kind of left more on my own to kind of figure it out. Where I started to to notice that that's kind of what was happening.

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amelia: And then, honestly, in regards to like this whole journey of like

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amelia: you know, performance based. And you know self like self kind of ambition and drivenness and hustle, and and all of that like that didn't really start to, at least in my heart and mind be dealt with until about probably 3 years ago. So it's been. It's been a long journey of me, like trying to prove myself

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amelia: of trying to validate who I was thinking, like the only way I could do that was through being like maybe what what myself and what other people would say is successful. And like, man.

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amelia: yeah, a lot has changed since you know, since I started realizing like, that's a bunch of bull like I don't even need to do that. Why do I think I need to do that?

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Natalie P.: Then Amelia said, that's a bunch of bull, and and life changed.

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Natalie P.: and once but literally that's it, though that is a beautiful way. You can't unsee it.

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amelia: Yeah, once, I think, once you see it, I think it. I, I will say, it is really easy, if you're, not paying attention. And if you just kind of go along with the flow of things.

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amelia: I do believe, you know, at least for myself, I can only speak for myself, obviously, because I'm the only one that knows

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amelia: my journey and and all of that. But I'm forgetful

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amelia: like, and I will find myself like going after the things that, like I had let go of in the past. And it's like

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amelia: spirit sometimes is like, wait a minute. We already dealt with this. What are you doing? And I'm like, Oh, yes, that's right. And like, I need to get back to center again. And

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amelia: so so I do think you know, that's like I constantly have to

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amelia: be reminded of what is

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amelia: what is actually true and and

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amelia: what I've learned so far

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amelia: you know, cause I don't know. Maybe it's this thing like where we just kind of like fall back into old habits.

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Natalie P.: I think it is. I think that I think that

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Natalie P.: we I in fact, I I believe it is. I'll say it that way.

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Natalie P.: Dr. Joe Dispenza, I think, is, who talks about the

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Natalie P.: the progression? And he's not the only one like in his words talks about the progression of something from just a a quirk, you know, at the 1st time, let's say

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Natalie P.: let's just use a big buzzword, an overused buzzword imposter syndrome the 1st time you doubt where you're like when you walk in a room and you look around and you're like, I'm not. So. I don't think I'm supposed to be here, and the day before, you wouldn't have walked in the room and felt that I'm talking about that shift right?

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Natalie P.: And then, a few days later it comes again, and then a few months, you know. So at that moment it's a blip. Then it turns into a trendish right, and then it starts to build and and over the course of any number depending on how big the moment of impact is. With that thought.

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Natalie P.: That vibrational right, it soon becomes your personality.

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amelia: yeah, yeah, I was thinking about that. Just as far as but like.

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amelia: what I focus my mind on like, if if I'm constantly telling myself, you know a certain thing, whatever that could be, I'm trying to think of a good example. Like, I can't figure this out. I'm never gonna figure this out or like I'm not like if that's what's playing in the back of my mind all the time.

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Natalie P.: All the time.

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amelia: Self-fulfilling and and so like I just I was thinking about that the other day on how like

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amelia: like what I feed into my mind what I am telling myself.

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amelia: Is so crucial. And I've actually been trying to teach this to my kids, too.

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Natalie P.: Early.

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amelia: what I'm saying. And what I'm feeding back on a on a loop. Really makes a difference. And how I'm showing up every day. And then how that plays out, because it really does

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amelia: end up becoming so ingrained. And, you know, part like you were saying like kind of like your personality, and how you operate and so, man, our minds are so

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amelia: so I would say, fragile. They're so like they need care and how we how we.

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Natalie P.: That's a great way to put it.

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amelia: Yeah, how we care for them and nurture them and take care of them is critical. I'm just noticing this about myself.

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amelia: at. You know the ripe old, you know, mid forties

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amelia: era of my life, I'm like, Oh, my goodness!

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Natalie P.: Right.

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amelia: So yeah, yeah,

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Natalie P.: Well, and because and this is how I relate to that, because right around the rifle

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Natalie P.: age of somewhere in there from you know, and I think it's happening.

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Natalie P.: There's a generation of us, or there's a there's a kind of a demographic of us from a certain point forward that are all we are talking about this. Wake up right where we're like.

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Natalie P.: that's a bunch of baloney. I don't remember what you called it, but we're happy. We can't unsee it right, and then it

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Natalie P.: take us several years to unpack it.

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amelia: Yes.

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Natalie P.: Right, but but once

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Natalie P.: we don't even know we've started the unpacking, but we we started it for me. It was

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Natalie P.: if I you know there were certain markers. Now I can see in arrears. Right? I can look back and say, Oh, good job, Natalie!

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Natalie P.: You were getting your poop in a group like, and you didn't even know that you were working in your favor like that's 1 of the most, I think the most beautiful parts of the in between of when you realize what you're doing, you know, in coming home to yourself.

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Natalie P.: And that come, is this beautiful little Perk, this pep in your step where you're like your curiosity, your inner child. There's an inner child that pops up and says, I get to be curious about this.

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amelia: Wait. I don't have to like. Have it all figured out before I try something.

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Natalie P.: And then on the heels of that you mean. And this is not the dig at my mom, or you as a but who am I under the mom? Who am I under the skin? Who am I? Down at my cellular level in this fragile, beautiful.

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Natalie P.: absolutely amazing being.

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Natalie P.: And that there's

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Natalie P.: whether that is like a fast forward because of some massive moment of impact that hits and makes you. You know it's a near-death experience. It's a it's a. It's a moment with God.

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Natalie P.: With your source that says

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Natalie P.: I had. Diff. I there's something we we're gonna have to take a different path here, because.

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amelia: Understood.

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Natalie P.: To do? There is a.

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amelia: You're right.

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Natalie P.: Stuff we need to do

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Natalie P.: hard stop there, because this is on my mind.

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Natalie P.: And and this is what I think I need to talk to you about.

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Natalie P.: Some of us are told not to bring God or Spirit.

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Natalie P.: Into business.

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Natalie P.: In fact, it's in our constitution.

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Natalie P.: Separation of Church and state is the hard line, right? And so. And that's what we're dealing with like. I don't have room for God, or or any of the spirit, spirituality, religion, anything that

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Natalie P.: Right for you and me. I'm gonna make this bold statement. It is impossible for me to separate.

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Natalie P.: thousands of however many years that has been like. Keep it out. I can't conform to that. It is. It's not in my being to conform to that. And so what I wanted to just think out loud with you about is like.

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amelia: So that's that's a great question. Sorry like, kind of loud right now.

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amelia: make it difficult for people to connect with my work. They're not think they might not feel the same way I do about, you know God and and all of that. And so I worked pretty hard to keep it separate, and I think there again that was kind of like

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amelia: And you know all of that performance based stuff and all of that. And then I got to a place I'm trying to think when it was

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amelia: where I finally just I started. I can't even like pinpoint exactly when it was. But there was a a shift where I was like, I can't do this anymore. I'm miserable. I feel completely compartmentalized and like, if people don't like that, I, you know, integrate my my faith in my art.

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amelia: if I can't do that, I'm not actually showing up in my art, I'm not showing up in my in my practice or in my finished pieces. And and so what I started doing is I actually started.

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amelia: And so we have conversations. I talk to him about everything I'm like, you know, this is what's happening in my family. This is, I need. I need help right now, like with this painting I'm working on. I don't know what to do. And so I started just

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amelia: and like that changed the dynamic of of my work instead of

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amelia: instead of it being about like, you know, what can I accomplish today? How can I make this like perfect or like successful, or whatever it was, more of a like, you know. Show me what to do next.

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amelia: and he kind of popped different ideas and thoughts in my head, and then I would know how to handle like something in my painting, and like I could walk away from from a painting and go like man. That was awesome. And not only did the was the result.

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amelia: you know, good for where I was at, and I mean I'm always going to be growing as an artist like I look at some pieces that that I've done, and maybe they're a couple of years old, and I'm like man. I totally would have done that different. But in the moment it was exactly what I could do to the best of my ability at that time, and and so I would look at that. And I'd be like, not only is that a great result that was really fun.

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amelia: that that was really fulfilling to do whereas before it was more of just like checking off a box and everything. And so when I was able to integrate.

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amelia: my my faith and my spirituality with my business practice, but like.

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amelia: and not only just like the creation process, but like, if we look at like as an artist.

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amelia: there's like, basically 2 sides of things. Right? There's there's the creative, you know, the making component all of that. So there's that thing. There's the artist head. But then, as someone who also does this for their career, there's also, like the entrepreneurial side of it, the business person side of it and like, when I was also able to bring him into that

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amelia: I have. I can ask for help. I can. You know, it's not like I have to do this. And like sometimes that means like people would come to my mind that you know, it was just like, Oh, I should ask them about this, or oh, I kind of forgot that I had this thing over here that I could like. So it's almost like I had like God was able to kind of like.

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amelia: Give me the resources that I need in order to like, do business in a way that wasn't.

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amelia: that would get me so wrapped around the axle and like just I don't know like I just. I struggled so much for a long time, as as you know, in business, to to not have that feel like it was suffocating me and drowning me. So yeah. So when I brought that all together. It just

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amelia: It shifted the whole thing, and that's not to say like, Oh, it's all perfect and hunky, dory and stuff like I I still feel like in my my journey, in my art and in my spirituality, that

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amelia: And he gave them to me. To use, not for my benefit, solely

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amelia: me as well, and and what that ends up doing so like when I look out like that as opposed to constantly like it's gotta be all about me. Then I actually get the benefit as well.

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amelia: Like. It takes all of the onus off of me to like. Figure it out and and to have it all be about me type of thing, and like shifts it. And and then I get this awesome like kickback as well when I when I 1st put all of the priority you know.

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amelia: out there outside of myself. And so that's been. And that's kind of been an ongoing thing. And and he's had to really like kind of strip away a lot of stuff

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amelia: and a lot of like, it's been actually a very humbling experience to to have him be like, okay, we're gonna we're gonna cut that out. We're gonna cut this out. We're gonna this. You don't get this project, you know. We're not doing this, and just to kind of help me get to a place where I could, you know. See? Like, Oh.

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amelia: you're doing this because I needed to get out of my own way so that this could be aligned correctly, and that has been an incredible journey.

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amelia: It's not over yet, like I'm totally in that place when you were talking about like you know what the heck is coming next. I'm like. I have no idea.

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amelia: let that be what I'm anchored to, instead of my own flailing efforts. To to try to like. Get it all together, you know, and like make my own path. Maybe

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amelia: So that's been my journey in integrating Faith back into back into my art practice. And yeah.

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amelia: Hmm,

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Natalie P.: As my own relationship with my faith, with my spirit, with my source was severed.

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Natalie P.: And you know I know exactly when it happened.

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Natalie P.: With my father's death, and I ran hard, with my elbows locked.

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Natalie P.: To just to stay in ironically, to stay in control.

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Natalie P.: And and so I'm as I'm listening to you describe this. I can now sit beside you digitally

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Natalie P.: To my source and to my spirit. We're all like I am sitting right there with you, and I can't undo any of this. I know where my do. I? Am I speaking to Jesus?

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Natalie P.: Walking into your space with my spirit intact, my connection to my spirit intact, and walking into a space where where source and is intact.

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Natalie P.: and is a part of it all, and my faith meets your faith, and I can create.

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Natalie P.: And have and look and wonder across from someone else with a different path than mine, and watch them create and connect with their like gooseys, and like.

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Natalie P.: Spirit and God and Buddha and everybody's in the room with us, and we're in the middle of a bigger room, and we're in the middle of a bigger room.

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amelia: how? How do we get better at like creating space and an environment where where we can share, like where we're at, even if we don't, if we're even if we're not coming at the world from the same perspective.

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amelia: or the same type of belief system, or whatever like. How how do we figure out how to actually engage with each other in kindness and in vulnerability, and in genuine, you know.

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amelia: Like presence, I guess, and and like. The 1st thing that came to mind is exactly what you were like. What you're all about is just the sense of curiosity. Where, instead of

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amelia: instead of coming to a conversation where you're like, I don't know. They don't think the same thing I do like this could be. This could be scary, or whatever. Instead, like asking questions, find out who that person is. Find out what their story is. And and then relay your own story. Where where you're not like.

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amelia: I guess where you're just you're being open and honest about who you are.

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amelia: Without worrying so much about. If it's going to be accepted or not, because, like at least for me, I've been totally dealing with this where, like, I don't need to get other people's approval, because I'm completely approved already. I am. I'm loved by the God of the universe. I'm his daughter. You know, through through Jesus, and I don't have to prove anything, and so like being able to

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amelia: to come into situations and and conversations, and in in connection with other people, where you can just sit with them, and you can hear where they're at, and you can share where you're at

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amelia: And show kindness and and love

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amelia: and value the perspectives of other people.

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amelia: and that doesn't necessarily mean that you have to. I think I think the big thing I'm also thinking a lot about now is like

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amelia: like like when it comes to the the circles of of people that I encounter, and, like all all the different people I connect with like.

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amelia: I can completely be their friend, and completely connect with them and value who they are, and and love them. Without always agreeing with everything they say, and without agreeing with everything they might believe and think, that's okay. Like, I have one of my favorite examples of this is

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amelia: an artist, friend that I have, and we come at life in a complete, in 2 completely different ways. And I love hearing what she is passionate about what she's thinking about and what she's doing. And I ask questions. And she has given me such an expansive perspective on like just different issues that, like in in my world, I've never even opened the door on. Because

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amelia: who is that account?

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amelia: Jenny Milner.

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amelia: Probably know Jenny like she. She's taught me about like immigration stuff. She's taught me about border issues. She's taught me like tons about, like all sorts of different things. And and I love that.

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amelia: I love that we can talk about things that I'm not familiar with. Maybe I don't think the same thing she does, but I want to hear her opinion. I want to. I want to learn from from what she's what she has to say and so like, and I know a lot of the stuff that like I'm about. She's like, I don't know about that. And that's okay, like we.

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amelia: Still can completely treasure each other and spend time together, and it just like man. I think if we could just do a little bit better at that listening component sitting and being curious. Sharing honestly and and being okay with the fact that there may be times where we come to a place, and it's like, Hmm.

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amelia: I don't know if I think the same thing you do. That's okay, you know, like it's just, you know, rather than than trying to like

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amelia: No, maybe maybe that's not how this.

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amelia: Just something I've been been cogitating on thinking about trying to figure out like.

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Natalie P.: oh, man, that was a crossword puzzle clue. I got a couple lists I like, I wonder if anybody caught that? Oh, I'm recording. I'm gonna catch that back. That'll be my snippet. I take out. That was like good. It started with a C.

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Natalie P.: Because my chef, my sweetheart Paul, he will! He'll be upstairs still. I'm an early, early, early, early riser.

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Natalie P.: And he teases me. He says, I will. I listen to you. Leave the room. I tiptoe out. I think he's sleeping, and he'll hear me come downstairs, make the coffee, and it's anywhere depending on my mood, or what's on my mind. Going to sleep. It'll be anywhere between 3, 30 and 4, 15.

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Natalie P.: And I can't. When I at that point in the morning, when my eyes go up like it's it's game on, and I'm learning more and more about myself. That that's it is my best design to jump to, not to jump like I'm I'm talking about personalities right like the hustle like. Oh, my God! The the time to go! Whoo! Pick up the phone! Woo! Let's schedule woo! No.

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Natalie P.: And then, Oh, my God! I'm hot.

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Natalie P.: Right? And like, actually okay, my toes are all still there.

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Natalie P.: This morning I laid there, and I have this thing, and people have heard me talk about it like in a meditation. I just drop into my big toe. I get curious about the cells that have decided. That's where they congregate.

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Natalie P.: Like until they don't anymore.

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Natalie P.: What?

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Natalie P.: And if I showed you my big toe you'd be like I did not need to see that it's not as fascinating as you think. It is, Natalie.

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Natalie P.: it's different now. Yeah, there's 4 offices and and an outside patio and a different slide into this life. And it's. And it's with purpose. Every single mornings with purpose. And when I jump in that magic bus paul will hear the recliner.

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Natalie P.: and it's like the door closing. And he teases to say, I don't know where she's going, it's.

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amelia: Going somewhere on that bus.

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Natalie P.: 4 o'clock in the morning.

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Natalie P.: probably sneak back in in about 15 min to get her glasses, because she does it every morning. I can't break that one. I'm working on it. I'm working. It doesn't matter where I hang them.

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Natalie P.: You think I leave?

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Natalie P.: I leave them down here.

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Natalie P.: Why take him upstairs? I'm sleeping.

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Natalie P.: This has been the most productive podcast in a long time. If I.

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Natalie P.: So let's just say that you've made it successfully downstairs for another day.

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Natalie P.: What are you up to? What are? How can people engage with you like Tell. I've I've got show notes. I'm gonna put all your contact all your goody, Goody, goody! And we've got all your connections. I just want to think about like, what are you up to?

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amelia: Okay. So a couple of things that I'm doing right now is I've got shows and stuff this summer that I'm doing. So I just finished. 2 shows in May I do outdoor art festivals? And so that's that's a whole, nother, podcast all in itself. If you want to know what that's like but so I have those that I'm doing. And then this summer or in June, I'm going to be doing an art camp

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amelia: So it's the 1st one's going to be mainly about how to help kids

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amelia: engage with the outside world, and be able to use different techniques that I've gathered over time to, you know, capture clouds to be able to draw like a tree the way that it it looks and because a lot of times like like they get frustrated with those different components. And so I want to be able to help them.

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amelia: you know, if if that's something that they want to do, if they're if they're interested.

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amelia: And so we're going to be working through like various elements of nature throughout the week, with little sketchbooks and watercolor paper, and we'll be outside. And you know, doing all that kind of stuff kind of like little Junior Plein air artists.

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Natalie P.: I love it, and it's only for kids.

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Natalie P.: I know. I need to do some adult ones. I haven't

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Natalie P.: that an adult day camp for fully sister, like.

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amelia: It'd be super fun. My my friend Manette, who's also here in in Loveland. She's running an adult summer camp.

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amelia: Art related, and I think, you know, kind of like, I think it's like art and spirit kind of related types of things. And so

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amelia: yeah, we'll have to definitely connect you guys so you can learn that. But but yeah, so who knows what? That'll look like?

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Natalie P.: It'll look fantastic. I'm excited for those kiddos. That's awesome.

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amelia: I I know. And it's 1 of those things. Where I'm like, okay, I've

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amelia: this would be my 1st time doing a summer camp. So I'm like totally trying to figure it out as I go. I've been engaging with other artists and stuff that teach and getting tips and tricks and stuff from them. But at some point I'm just gonna have to be like.

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amelia: it's fine. We're doing it and just

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amelia: and and realize I'm not going to be the perfect teacher. I'm probably going to learn just as much as the kids are, maybe more.

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amelia: But, dang it, we're gonna have such a good time. So so I think that'll be really good. And then I have another one in July.

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amelia: which will be a little bit more instead of like focusing so much on seeing the world around us, it's going to be more material based where kids are going to learn more about like how to use different materials with with paint and fiber, and and all of that

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amelia: and that that'll go into. Then a mixed media piece at the end like, we'll work on this mix this particular mixed media piece every single day like using the techniques that we learned that day. So

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amelia: and that one, I think, will be great for those that are like. Actually, you know, I kind of want to just create what's in my head, you know, because a lot of times you've got both. You've got kids that like are like, I just really want to be able to capture the world around me as it looks, I find.

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Natalie P.: I know.

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amelia: Fascinating, and it drives me bonkers that I can't do that. So there's that group. And then there's you know, our other group that that's like I've got enough great stuff going on in this headline. I just, I want to focus on that. And there's I mean, there's room for both. And.

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Natalie P.: There!

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amelia: Like, and it's also super fun when you see the 2 of them intertwine.

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amelia: So so we're going to do that in July. And then I've got a big art installation that I'm doing at the Brimfield library with another artist. And that one is, it's basically it's going to be a temporary installation that is called kaleidoscope community.

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amelia: And it is a whole bunch of hanging

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amelia: vibrantly colored abstract canvases, with aspen trees in front of them created with post consumer, plastic, crocheted bags. I know it's like it's hard to like kind of visualize what this is. But.

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Natalie P.: You you would. You can't say that 10 times fast.

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amelia: No.

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Natalie P.: Can you say it? One more time.

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amelia: Yes, so

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amelia: What it is is. It's backdrops of of color and shape.

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amelia: With aspen trees like. So there's like a leaf canopy. And then there's these trunks

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amelia: and root systems and stuff like that, and in the trees are all made of plastic, so like the canopy, will be done with fused plastic. My good friend Heather Fortin Rubeld, who is an expert in working with plastic, will be fusing the plastic for the leaf canopy, and then we are working together to crochet strips of post consumer plastic bags

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amelia: into these like long, elegant trunks, and that at the bottom the root systems are actually just chains of like crochet chains, basically. And then they'll be integrated back into the canvas backdrop.

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amelia: And the idea is is that aspen trees like they are connected. They're they're like when they're in a grove. They're actually all connected underneath. And to me I like that is that resonates with me so greatly that sense of community that we need other, and also that it's not a competition. The cool thing I've been learning about trees, as I, you know, continue to study them is

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amelia: they care for each other so like when when there's a tree. And again, this, this is this is more of an overarching statement, I have a feeling there's like, maybe some species of trees that aren't as collaborative as as others, but

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amelia: but they basically like, if there's a tree that is malnourished or struggling to grow. The other trees will go ahead and feed out of their own systems. Feed this tree to support it. If there's a disease, or if there's some type of like danger, or you know

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amelia: any anything like that outside source of of danger, they will protect each other.

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Natalie P.: Hasn't.

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amelia: And I was like, that's beautiful. And that's that's just

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amelia: I don't know it. It just really is very awesome for me to to think about how I can then integrate that into my art.

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Natalie P.: Awesome. Yes, yes, yes, all that's that's stunning. I haven't even laid eyes on it, and it's stunning.

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amelia: It's it's 1 of those things where? So you were. You had mentioned earlier that I'm kind of like a creative explorer like this is totally one of those things where like heather. And I had this idea. And we're like, let's let's, you know, do it this way and and

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amelia: so much of it has been like, we have been just kind of like figuring it out as we go like, we have a good grounding of like expertise in various areas. But there's also a lot of unknowns we're like, Oh, never encountered that before. How are we gonna figure this out? And so that's actually been

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amelia: really, really interesting to be on that journey with her, and yeah, and and doing it with a partner artist as opposed to trying to figure it out all by yourself is so

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amelia: comforting and so helpful, because, like, we can like bounce ideas off of each other, and we bring both of our sets of strength to it. So so that's really that's really awesome. So I've got that coming up that's going to be displayed. The end of August through middle of December

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amelia: library. And then I've got more shows, a couple more outdoor shows. And yeah, and I've been playing around with the idea of maybe going back for my Mfa. If anybody will take me, so we'll see.

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Natalie P.: Must be my Amelia, my Amelia!

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amelia: Yeah, call this the Amelia.

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amelia: Yeah.

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amelia: like, that's totally like Mo. Most of my friends are like, well, I didn't see that coming. I'm like, I know I didn't either. Sorry.

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Natalie P.: Do it. Yeah, don't talk to me about it. I'll tell you to do it.

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amelia: Yeah, well, and I'm so. One of the things I've been learning lately is that like, I'm an idea person. So come up with tons and tons of ideas, and like, oh, this, this, this, like all the things which that's pretty awesome.

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amelia: You can't do them all same thing with my husband always reminds me like he's like Amelia.

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amelia: You can be friendly with everybody, but you can't be everybody's friend.

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amelia: you know, at the same level. You know what I mean like that just doesn't work. I was like, Okay, but anyway, when it comes to ideas, I'm learning to kind of slow down.

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amelia: let them simmer and sit and wait a bit, and you know, like how we had talked about like the the you know, integration of art and faith, and all of that. Well, instead of just flying off the handle with an idea. Guess who I'm talking to about it first.st I'm talking to God about it first, st and I'm saying, Hey, what do you like? This is an idea I have. Can you let me know? Can you walk me through? Guide me, help me know if this is something

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amelia: that is on my path, or if this is going to be a distraction, because I mean I'm very prone to destruction.

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amelia: And and some ideas might look like a distraction. But they're where I need to go. So and I never know like what he's gonna kind of point me to

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amelia: I find a lot of times. It's not really what I would have expected, but that makes it incredibly exciting and fun.

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amelia: So I'm like, yeah, that that sounds like you so, yeah.

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amelia: but yeah, so that's kind of like, those are some of the things, I'm working on what's what's coming down the pike. And yeah, like, as far as like that idea of going back to school. I don't know. That's kind of where I'm at in the in between what? You know, what's gonna happen, as far as you know, future projects, or what's the next body of work that I want to create what's what's coming? That's another known. I don't know.

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amelia: So. But yeah, where I'm at.

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Natalie P.: Well, thank you.

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amelia: You're so welcome.

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Natalie P.: I'm glad that this distraction made the clear list.

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Natalie P.: This felt like a a very good thing to do. But see what I did. There.

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amelia: Yeah, I love it.

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Natalie P.: Yeah, that's something I do over here. I think I'm funny. I think that as long as my key to survival as I've been stating it lately is that as long as one personality thinks I'm funny.

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Natalie P.: I am golden. I did.

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Natalie P.: I can get to giggling.

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amelia: that's my favorite thing to do. If I can figure out how to make somebody laugh, i'm, like, I have accomplished what I need to do today.

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Natalie P.: Yeah, yeah, it may be that you run into me in the in the grocery store, and I just

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Natalie P.: I scare the shit out of you, because I am standing there talking to myself in the little tea aisle, you know, because I only have so much room in my pickle jar.

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amelia: Right.

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Natalie P.: Sleep my tea, and if I'm going to put tea in my pickle jar.

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Natalie P.: Needs. I like, I'm picky.

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Natalie P.: So, yeah, and well.

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amelia: If I see you in the tea, I'm gonna come over and give you a huge hug.

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Natalie P.: Give me a huge hug, heart to heart, sister heart to heart! Where do you shop? I'll just come.

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amelia: Yeah. Oh, I shop. Well, I actually don't do a whole lot of shopping. My husband does a lot of it.

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Natalie P.: Go shop for tea. If you were to go shop for tea, where would you go? Shop for tea?

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Natalie P.: Maybe ashes, or I can do ashes.

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amelia: King, supers.

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Natalie P.: I can do rushes. Yeah.

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amelia: Yeah, they're fun. You never know what you're gonna get there.

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Natalie P.: No, you don't, and I might like I might find those are the sweet surprises you didn't see coming.

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Natalie P.: You stand in the middle of the Isle of Ashes, and you say.

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amelia: Never heard of that one before. I'm gonna have to do a look at that.

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Natalie P.: Then you look over and you meet somebody that you didn't anticipate meeting.

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Natalie P.: Right. You never know what what the universe is doing to

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Natalie P.: support you, conspiring, conspiring to support you. But thank you honestly. Thank you. Thank you for your honesty.

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amelia: Hmm.

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Natalie P.: And for your humility and your spirit. You're a gift, and I think that many of the folks that'll listen to this that came in and out live. I had a couple of folks

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Natalie P.: when they listen, I think.

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Natalie P.: feeling seen in your season of not knowing you should feel seen. And also I'm just. I will speak for all of us inspired by a commitment to just creating in real time. Anyway.

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Natalie P.: concept that the path will appear

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Natalie P.: takes a lot of trust and a lot of of getting up, no matter what your rise time is.

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Natalie P.: And saying.

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amelia: And up.

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Natalie P.: I'm coming back. I'm going to let the path appear. I'm not going to try and control this. I'm going to find my center. I'm going to start my day

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Natalie P.: feeling into this beautiful body that I was given to to play on this beautiful planet.

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Natalie P.: yeah. So just thanks for you, inspired that.

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amelia: That's awesome. Yeah.

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Natalie P.: Yeah. So thank you. And if if folks want to see Amelia her art or have a kids class, she'll she'll take your kids

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Natalie P.: can all the adults could we just like, stand on the side and watch? And oh, I'll just do like.

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Natalie P.: no, that's creepy. Okay, so.

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Natalie P.: art anywhere. They're all over Northern Colorado, and I know you keep ameliafurman.com up to speed with where you're at, so that's the best place to go. I tagged you in the live on this. I'm going to drop this and all the show notes, including some

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Natalie P.: some different things. I'll listen back through and and pull out what folks should hear about. But as always, if this conversation stirred something within you out there, please share it. Stay curious about it, even if you just share it with your

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Natalie P.: your bff, or I don't know even your pillow.

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Natalie P.: Exactly. Okay, too. We say, that's okay. Right?

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amelia: Yeah.

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Natalie P.: It is because you're you're making space. You're making space for spirit in unexpected places.

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amelia: You should totally talk to yourself about all of these things. I think I think one of the things people are afraid of doing is, they're afraid of actually opening that box and dealing with all of the unanswered questions.

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Natalie P.: Hmm.

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amelia: But what if you open that box? What if you go ahead and you start to

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amelia: to actually, you know, find out what actually is below the surface a little bit.

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Natalie P.: Hmm.

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amelia: Yeah.

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amelia: Yeah. Good stuff.

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Natalie P.: I love it.

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Natalie P.: I'll see everybody next time.

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Natalie P.: We're all gonna keep. We're all gonna keep thinking out loud together. This has been a treat. Thank you. Amelia Furman.

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amelia: Welcome!

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Natalie P.: I'll see you in person.

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amelia: Yes, for sure.